{"id":7302,"date":"2025-10-10T07:30:43","date_gmt":"2025-10-10T07:30:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/?p=7302"},"modified":"2025-10-10T07:30:43","modified_gmt":"2025-10-10T07:30:43","slug":"the-yes-but-problem-with-the-gaza-peace-plan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/?p=7302","title":{"rendered":"The \u201cYes, But\u201d Problem With the Gaza Peace Plan"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_7303\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-7303\" style=\"width: 163px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-7303 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/58ce7fc94bcc674b2cd3bf1fc5fb0896-1-163x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"163\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/58ce7fc94bcc674b2cd3bf1fc5fb0896-1-163x300.jpg 163w, https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/58ce7fc94bcc674b2cd3bf1fc5fb0896-1-558x1024.jpg 558w, https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/58ce7fc94bcc674b2cd3bf1fc5fb0896-1-768x1409.jpg 768w, https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/58ce7fc94bcc674b2cd3bf1fc5fb0896-1-837x1536.jpg 837w, https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/58ce7fc94bcc674b2cd3bf1fc5fb0896-1-1116x2048.jpg 1116w, https:\/\/natharatmouchrika.net\/home\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/58ce7fc94bcc674b2cd3bf1fc5fb0896-1.jpg 1170w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 163px) 100vw, 163px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-7303\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screenshot<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">On paper, it may be good. But implementation and sustainability will be major hurdles.<\/p>\n<div class=\"main-with-asides-tier hide-asides-mobile\" data-v-1e205e4f=\"\" data-v-31ab6e94=\"\">\n<section class=\"body\" data-v-31ab6e94=\"\">\n<div class=\"main-center\" style=\"text-align: left;\" data-v-31ab6e94=\"\">\n<div class=\"publication-stream-blocks stream\" data-v-1e205e4f=\"\" data-v-9b8d7a34=\"\">\n<div class=\"blocks\" data-v-9b8d7a34=\"\">\n<div class=\"block\" data-v-9b8d7a34=\"\">\n<div class=\"stream-rich-text-block\">\n<div class=\"body-style-serif-large theme-light size-50 rich-text-elements\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><em>On Thursday, Israel and Hamas announced that they had\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2025\/10\/08\/g-s1-92558\/gaza-ceasefire-israel-hamas\" rel=\"\"><em>agreed to a ceasefire<\/em><\/a><em>\u2014the first phase of\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/emissary\/2025\/10\/gaza-trump-peace-plan-comprehensive-obstacles?lang=en\" rel=\"\"><em>a twenty-point peace plan<\/em><\/a><em>\u00a0that includes the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><em>On this week\u2019s episode of\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/podcasts\/carnegie-connects?lang=en\" rel=\"\"><em>Carnegie Connects<\/em><\/a><em>, Aaron David Miller spoke with\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mei.edu\/profile\/natan-sachs\" rel=\"\"><em>Natan Sachs<\/em><\/a><em>, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, and\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pcpsr.org\/en\/node\/192\" rel=\"\"><em>Khalil Shikaki<\/em><\/a><em>, director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, about the stakes of the peace deal and obstacles to implementation .\u00a0Excerpts from\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/events\/2025\/09\/october-7th-two-years-on-an-assessment?lang=en\" rel=\"\"><em>their conversation<\/em><\/a><em>, which have been edited for clarity, are below.\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ect5JM7Sh-s\" rel=\"\"><em>Watch the full discussion here<\/em><\/a><em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Aaron David Miller:\u00a0<\/strong>To what degree has Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu\u2019s legal travails and obsession with remaining in power shaped his decisionmaking in Gaza?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Natan Sachs:\u00a0<\/strong>That\u2019s a great question, and it\u2019s difficult to answer for two reasons.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>One, it very much depends on your worldview. So if you\u2019re not a fan of Netanyahu\u2014and I plead guilty to that\u2014then you tend to see him more as motivated by bad reasons. If you are a fan of him, you dismiss it offhand. Two, we\u2019re trying to go into the head of one person, and it\u2019s harder than many of us\u2014myself included\u2014sometimes pretend.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>I do have a slightly contrarian view here. I think that Netanyahu suffers from a very severe malady that has warped his decisionmaking\u2014the malady of someone who\u2019s been in power for a very, very long time and is genuinely sure that he has no replacement. Netanyahu truly believes he has no suitable replacement. And as we know, the graveyard is full of people who have no suitable replacements. This has led to the political crisis that we\u2019ve seen for years on end. In the context of this war, I think even more so.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>After the trauma of October 7, he was in very low standing\u2014he was seen as responsible. He saw his life, his legacy\u2014the legacy of the Abraham Accords and standing up to the world and preventing a Palestinian state and all that\u2014suddenly crumbling in the face of this disaster. And in his view and those of quite a few Israelis, if you look at the past two years, he has redeemed himself to a large degree because of the dramatic\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/middle-east\/diwan\/2025\/08\/hezbollahs-margin-is-tightening?lang=en\" rel=\"\">degradation of Hezbollah,<\/a>\u00a0the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/emissary\/2025\/06\/iran-strikes-us-impacts-iaea-nuclear-weapons-monitoring?lang=en\" rel=\"\">strikes against Iran<\/a>, and the semi-destruction of Hamas.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Aaron David Miller:\u00a0<\/strong>Who is making decisions for Hamas?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Khalil Shikaki:\u00a0<\/strong>Hamas is a very well-organized group with tremendous discipline, and decisionmaking is extremely complicated. A lot of people are involved in their decisions, given the geographic separation of where leaders live and that the negotiators are not on the ground.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>There are leaders that we know. Some of them have been killed. Nonetheless, Khalil al-Hayya remains the most involved since the start, because he was the leader of Hamas in Gaza, and he has been the principal negotiator since October 7. So by far he is the top decisionmaker in this process.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>However, he has essentially two groups of colleagues he needs to coordinate with. One is the Shura Council for Hamas, because Hamas decided after [former leader] Yahya Sinwar [was assassinated] that there will be no one single leader to make decisions. Instead, the council itself will select a group that will make decisions. Some of them are in Lebanon, T\u00fcrkiye, Qatar, and perhaps elsewhere. The second is the people on the ground. As far as we know, the leader of the Gaza forces, Azad al-Haddad, is still alive and the person in charge. Haddad would have to get the approval from the other commanders in Gaza, and given conditions in Gaza, obviously this makes it extremely difficult for them to make decisions and ultimately make recommendations to the body that the Shura Council have selected and Khalil al-Hayya.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>I\u2019m just going to add another complication: The military wing of Hamas has always been much closer to external actors such as Iran than Qatar or Egypt. But the political side has deferred to Arab actors, including Egypt and Qatar. So this means contradictory regional impulses that also complicate the picture for Hamas.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Aaron David Miller:<\/strong>\u00a0The Qataris and the Turks have been telling Hamas that the hostages only allow Netanyahu to continue the war and if [Hamas] gives them up, [its] chances of surviving politically are better. Is [Hamas] willing to trust that Netanyahu will not continue the war?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Khalil Shikaki:<\/strong>\u00a0I think Hamas\u2019 calculations remain essentially the same. The major change might be in the assurances of the Arab and Muslim countries that this would be the end of the war, and that [U.S. President Donald] Trump will ensure that this is the case.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>When Sinwar launched the attack on October 7, his calculations regarding taking hostages were very, very different than the calculations today. In 2023, what Hamas wanted was [a ministate] in Gaza and a legitimacy for it to be able to [govern], which a release of Palestinian prisoners at that time would have given Hamas.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>Today, Hamas is worried about its mere existence. It is not about a project of having a ministate. And its mere existence means that these hostages remain an asset for them, and therefore the negotiations will be tough. Not as tough as the case was in the previous negotiations\u2014we clearly see the willingness to release the hostages as part of the Trump plan, even though there is no agreement yet on most other issues in this plan. I think the main reason right now is the involvement of the region.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Aaron David Miller:<\/strong>\u00a0What the two of you are laying out is not terribly encouraging, frankly, with respect to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/emissary\/2025\/10\/us-israel-gaza-peace-plan-deal-distraction?lang=en\" rel=\"\">implementation of this plan<\/a>. It may well be that the mutual objectives of Netanyahu and the remaining Hamas leaders are simply mutually irreconcilable when it comes to the full implementation of the president\u2019s twenty-point plan. What do each of you think about partial implementation, without moving toward the truly difficult issues?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Natan Sachs:\u00a0<\/strong>Well, Aaron, you have a little more experience in Middle East diplomacy than anyone around.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>One of the arts of diplomacy, since even before your time, was constructive ambiguity. [UN Security Council Resolution] 242, the famous land for peace formula, was written to be understood differently by different parties: Israel has to withdraw \u201cfrom the territories\u201d in French or \u201cfrom territories\u201d in English. Everyone can go home and say that international law is on their side.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>Here we have the reverse. Trump has a very clear language and extremely expansive plans. There will be international bodies, and Tony Blair will be the viceroy, and Trump will be chairman of the board. And decommissioning\u2014Hamas will do what the IRA had to do, but has never, ever agreed to, as far as I understand. So Trump has been very clear about what he wants.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>And the parties have done what Netanyahu usually does, which is give a very complex \u201cyes, but . . . \u201d In other words:\u00a0<em>Yes, we completely accept what you say, absolutely. By the way, here are the ways we completely contradict what you said.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>Hamas, for example, accepted the deal and praised Trump himself, importantly, and also then said that it would be a Palestinian body, not an international body. It would demand a Palestinian consensus, which of course gives Hamas a veto, on contradicting item thirteen in the twenty-point plan, et cetera.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>Israel says yes, although Netanyahu was extremely reluctant. He was forced to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/2025\/09\/29\/trump-prompts-netanyahu-to-apologize-to-qatar-for-bombing-its-capital-00584738\" rel=\"\">apologize of sorts<\/a>\u00a0[to Qatar] while in the White House itself with Trump by him on the phone, a very dramatic move, and to agree in a sense to flip his goal. Instead of destroying Hamas, the goal would be releasing the hostages. In theory, the plan gives him both.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>But Netanyahu\u2014and, I would say, 99 percent of Israelis\u2014don\u2019t believe that Hamas will really give up all its weapons. . . . They could give up some. They\u2019ve lost much of them in the war. But to give up their personal arms, that seems unlikely. And, therefore, full Israeli withdrawal is very unlikely, and an international body would only be partial. But if you could have some kind of technocratic government, which the Palestinian factions have already discussed and agreed upon in the past, and which the international bodies and everyone might find is the lesser of all evils for Israel, it might actually allow for quite a bit to happen. And from a human perspective, I think that would be extremely important, because it will allow reconstruction to start. It would allow Israel to start dealing with its own issues and grieving. I wonder if that actually is out of the question. I\u2019m not sure it is.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Aaron David Miller:\u00a0<\/strong>There is no precedent\u2014none, zero\u2014for an American president lecturing an Israeli prime minister to accept a plan. It has never happened. And it demonstrates a president who I think is untethered from the emotional and political constraints that in the past have prevented American presidents from bringing extraordinary pressure on an Israeli prime minister. Trump seems to be free from that. This is not Joe Biden. It\u2019s not Bill Clinton, who\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2010\/11\/04\/opinion\/04clinton.html\" rel=\"\">wrote<\/a>\u00a0in his memoirs that he loved [Yitzhak] Rabin as he loved no man. It\u2019s an extraordinary thing, but how far he can take it is another matter.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p><strong>Khalil Shikaki:\u00a0<\/strong>Before I say negative things about [the Trump plan], let me say that in principle it really looks good on paper, for the most part. But it is not sufficient, and it is almost certainly not a roadmap for a sustainable outcome.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>The reason I say it is good is because of the actors. First, because the U.S. president is personally behind it. He himself is the man who delivered it, and most importantly, he says he personally will deliver Netanyahu. You\u2019ve just said he\u2019s not going to be able to do that, Aaron. And on the ground, Gazans are saying, \u201cDidn\u2019t Trump say Israel should stop the bombardment? The bombardment is continuing.\u201d So \u201cstopping the bombardment\u201d was translated by Netanyahu to mean stop the army advance on Gaza but keep the bombardments going.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>The second actor is the region. The region is by far the most innovative element in all of this, and the meeting with all of these leaders made a difference. They are basically telling him that they will deliver Hamas:\u00a0<em>So if you deliver Netanyahu, we are capable of delivering Hamas to you.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>On substance, there are a lot of positive elements. It\u2019s not just about a ceasefire. This is about transitional arrangements, and it\u2019s about Israeli-Palestinian negotiations for a two-state solution. This is about Middle East peace.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>But there are plenty of problems. There is no Palestinian partner yet on all of this. This plan was submitted to Hamas, not to the Palestinians, but you expect a Palestinian partner at the end of the day that is not a Hamas\u2014but you\u2019re not negotiating with that partner right now. And that partner is not going to be, according to the plan, granted legitimacy of any kind, let alone through negotiations. That makes this a nonstarter from the beginning. There has to be Palestinian consent on who will govern them, even in this technical committee, and that doesn\u2019t seem to be part of this plan.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>There are a lot of other problems related to all of this, including the commitment of the Arab countries to be involved in not just in the economic issues of reconstruction, but also on the security matter. The plan allows the simultaneous presence in the same territory of the Gaza Strip of four military forces: Hamas, the Palestinian police, the stabilization force, and the Israeli army. That is certainly not sustainable. I doubt very much that any country would be willing to take that kind of risk of sending its forces.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>Then there is the larger question of this so-called Board of Peace. This is not just a board to raise funds for reconstruction. The Palestinian Technocratic Committee reports to this body, as does the stabilization force. All of them ultimately report to Trump [as board chairman]. But in the eyes of the Palestinians, Trump and Netanyahu are one. So how is this going to end the war? It\u2019s a nonstarter.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\">\n<p>Even if Hamas says yes and then reneges on the implementation, would these counties still deploy this stabilization force\u2014to do what? To fight Hamas? Who\u2019s going to want to deploy forces to fight Hamas? The only thing that I can think of would be to provide humanitarian support, but anything else would be crazy.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-text\" data-v-daf0800a=\"\"><i>Link : https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/emissary\/2025\/10\/gaza-peace-plan-implementation?lang=en&amp;utm_source=ctw&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=titlelink&amp;mkt_tok=ODEzLVhZVS00MjIAAAGdahG7BCh-gWb12FST8avvuj2kOPYY10JDVgrOEz4i7YeWyHW5vhKxzRl0F0_bKKHqpVCnmIqgwlgR1Wj1QBKDXSmDnznmMbUvZBdZlZCT-OU<\/i><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"main-right\" data-v-31ab6e94=\"\">\n<div class=\"--padding aside-block\" data-v-c6b2ea6b=\"\" data-v-11e4b2ca=\"\">\n<div class=\"person-list-item\" data-v-c6b2ea6b=\"\" data-v-47de8580=\"\">\n<div class=\"person-titles\" data-v-47de8580=\"\">\n<p class=\"body-display-small direction-ltr typography title\" style=\"text-align: left;\" data-v-47de8580=\"\" data-v-239cd353=\"\">\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On paper, it may be good. 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