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AMY\u00a0GOODMAN:<\/strong>\u00a0This is\u00a0Democracy Now!<\/em>, democracynow.org,\u00a0The War and Peace Report<\/em>. I\u2019m Amy Goodman.<\/p>\n

As we\u2019ve reported, the Gaza ceasefire deal is in effect. Phase one of the U.S.-backed 20-point plan is underway. Hamas has released all 20 living captives, hostages. Israel is releasing some 2,000 Palestinians in Ramallah and now in Khan Younis in Gaza.<\/p>\n

Today, President Trump addressed the Israeli Knesset and then is on his way to co-chair a so-called peace summit in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, with President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu will not be among the 27 or more world leaders who will attend. He was invited but says he is not going.<\/p>\n

For more, we\u2019re joined by the Israeli historian, author and professor Ilan Papp\u00e9, professor of history and director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies at the University of Exeter and the chair of the Nakba Memorial Foundation. Among his books,\u00a0The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine<\/em>, almost 20 years ago, and\u00a0Gaza in Crisis<\/em>, which he co-wrote with Noam Chomsky. His new book,\u00a0Israel on the Brink: And the Eight Revolutions That Could Lead to Decolonization and Coexistence<\/em>.<\/p>\n

We thank you so much for being with us. Professor Papp\u00e9, if you could start off by responding to what has happened? We\u2019re watching, in Khan Younis, prisoners being released, Palestinian prisoners, up to 2,000, and in the occupied West Bank, though there families were told if they dare celebrate the release of their loved ones, they might be arrested. And we saw the release of the 20 Israeli hostages as they return to Israel. Hamas says they\u2019re returning the dead hostages, the remains, over the next few days. Israel has not said they will return the dead prisoners, of which it\u2019s believed there are nearly 200 in Israeli prisons. Your response overall, and now to the summit in Egypt?<\/p>\n

ILAN\u00a0PAPP\u00c9:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes. First of all, there is some joy in knowing that the bombing of the people in Gaza has stopped for a while. And there is joy knowing that Palestinian political prisoners have been reunited with their families, and, similarly, that Israeli hostages were reunited with their families.<\/p>\n

But except from that, I don\u2019t think we are in such an historical moment as President Trump claimed in his speech in the Knesset and beforehand. We are not at the end of the terrible chapter that we have been in it for the last two years. And that chapter is an Israeli attempt by a particularly fanatic, extremely right-wing Israeli government to try and use ethnic cleansing in the West Bank and genocide in Gaza to downsize the number of Palestinians in Palestine and impose Israel\u2019s will in a way that they hope would be at least endorsed by some Arab governments and the world. And so far, they have an alliance of Trump and some extreme right-wing parties in Europe.<\/p>\n

And now I hope that the world will not be misled that Israel is now ready to open a different kind of page in its relationship with the Palestinians. And what you told us about the way that the celebrations were dealt with in the West Bank and the incineration of the sanitation center shows you that nothing has changed in the dehumanization and the attitude of this particular Israeli government and its belief that it has the power to wipe out Palestine as a nation, as a people and as a country. And I hope the world will not stand by, because up to now it did stand by when the genocide occurred in Palestine.<\/p>\n

AMY\u00a0GOODMAN:<\/strong>\u00a0We have just heard President Trump\u2019s address to the Israeli Knesset. He followed the Israeli prime minister, Netanyahu. I\u2019m not sure, but in listening to Netanyahu, I don\u2019t think he used the word \u201cPalestinian.\u201d President Trump has just called on the Israeli president to pardon Netanyahu. Your thoughts on this, and also the possibility of why Netanyahu has not joined this summit that President Trump will be co-chairing? Many are speculating for different reasons \u2014 didn\u2019t want to anger the right, that\u2019s further right than him. Others are saying the possibility of his arrest, not on corruption charges, but on crimes against humanity, the whole case before the International Criminal Court.<\/p>\n

ILAN\u00a0PAPP\u00c9:<\/strong>\u00a0It could be a mixture of all of it, but I think at the center of it is the nature of the Israeli government that was elected in November 2022, this alliance between a very opportunistic politician, who\u2019s only interested in surviving and keeping his position as a prime minister, alongside messianic, neo-Zionist politicians who really believe that God has given them the opportunity to create the Greater Israel, maybe even beyond the borders of Palestine, and, in the process, eliminate Palestinians. I think that his consideration should all \u2014\u00a0are always about his chances of survival. So, whatever went in his mind, he came to the conclusion that going to Cairo is not going to help his chances of being reelected.<\/p>\n

My great worry is not that he didn\u2019t go to Cairo. My greatest worry is that he does believe that his only chance of being reelected is still to have a war going on, either in Gaza or in the West Bank or against Iran or in the north with Lebanon. We are dealing here with a reckless, irresponsible politician, who is even willing to drown his own state in the process of saving his skin and his neck. And the victims will always be, from this adventurous policy, the Palestinians.<\/p>\n

I hope the world understands that, really, the urgent need of \u2014\u00a0and I\u2019m talking about world leaders rather than societies. You already discussed with Ahmed how \u2014\u00a0what is the level of solidarity among civil societies. But I do hope that political elites will understand their \u2014\u00a0especially in the West, their role now is not to mediate between Israelis and Palestinians. Their role now is to protect the Palestinians from destruction, elimination, genocide and ethnic cleansing. And nothing of that duty, especially of Europe, that is complicit with what happened, and the United States, that are complicit with what happened in the last two years \u2014\u00a0nothing that we heard in the speeches so far in the \u2014\u00a0in preparation for the summit in Egypt, and I have a feeling that we won\u2019t hear anything about it also later on. There is a different way in which our civil societies refer to Palestine as a place that has to be saved and protected, and still this irrelevant conversation about our political elites about a peace deal, a two-state solution, all of that, that has nothing to do with what we are experiencing in the way that the Israeli government thinks it has an historical moment to totally de-Arabize Palestine and eliminate and expunge the Palestinians from history and the area.<\/p>\n

AMY\u00a0GOODMAN:<\/strong>\u00a0Ilan Papp\u00e9, I want to thank you for being with us, Israeli historian, professor of history, director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies at the University of Exeter, chair of the Nakba Memorial Foundation. His new book,\u00a0Israel on the Brink: And the Eight Revolutions That Could Lead to Decolonization and Coexistence<\/em>.<\/p>\n

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